#209595 - 07/11/04 04:30 PM
Re: wtf is a scanner?
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Slainte
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Registered: 07/11/04
Posts: 1
Loc: Bermuda
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I did a complex look at the IP packets comming in during a party poker Real Money game. (Quarter Mllion Qualifier Tourny)
Using Etherreal I was able to watch the packets given to my machine during a hand. There is no detail whatsoever given to my machine at what the hold cards are or what the flop cards are.
The data does not even get to the machine, which means readintg the under cards is impossible, unless you hacked their server. That would involve hacking their database on the fly, and being able to query a hand as it is generated.
If you ask me. Not going to happen.
Now an Autoplay porgram would be nifty on the 5 dolalr tables. a programe that plays your pairs and AK AQ. That I want to see.
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#209596 - 07/12/04 06:28 AM
Re: wtf is a scanner?
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WinInLv
Junior Member
Registered: 07/12/04
Posts: 2
Loc: Las Vegas
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If you had asked me last week, I would have told you that there is no way that there is a "scanner" or "cheat codes" for Party Poker or any other major gaming site. In the past week, I have seen some of the strangest calls - some against me, and of course against other players. I saw a chip leader on the button go all in on A-A after being to be called by j-4 off suit. This was 2 from the money. The flop was j-4-4. Why would anyone call so close to the money on a bet that would have put them out of the tournament?
Gut feel? Dumb Luck? Drunk? or maybe the next famous Psychic ... I don't know, but I did report it to the card room host ... which is exactly what you should do if you ever suspect cheating.
Anyway, back to your question: A scanner ... If it exists, would be a program or device that scans the Data Streams to display all of the cards ... (It would require the ability to break the encryption schemes so I really question if it can even be done) So you are playing "face up" poker. I hope such a device doesn't exist because I do like playing on line - P
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#209597 - 07/12/04 12:28 PM
Re: wtf is a scanner?
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MajorCP
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Registered: 10/08/03
Posts: 2261
Loc: Phoenix AZ USA
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The remote possibility of a scanner being developed would be a good reason for the "continuous shuffle" that some sites use. In effect there is at least one new seed given to the RNG prior to each card being turned.
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#209598 - 07/12/04 09:51 PM
Re: wtf is a scanner?
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bilo
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Registered: 11/26/03
Posts: 809
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I don't believe a program or device exists that lets you see other players' holecards or communuty cards to come, here are my reasons:
1) Like MajorCP mentioned the cards are not determined in advance.
2) The server does not send other players' holecards to clients (players), information about those cards are send to the clints only during showdown. So there are 2 locations contain the information about the hole cards; the server and the player who holds those cards.
3) The packages of holecards are sent in secure packages, so they can't be "screened" by some sniffer droped somewhere in the network. The hacker needs system level access on either the server or client.
4) Someone who has who hacked into the server and acquired system level access, would not bother playing the tables; he would simply add $1,000,000 to his account and cash it out (or launder it first and then cash it out). By the way hacking into the server should be near impossible.
5) Unless the player opened an malicious executable or the hacker had physical access to the computer, hacking the player's computer isn't possible; besides most anti-virus or firewall programs would stop those trojans.
6) Even if a hacker manages to get into a player's computer, playing against that player (with the player's cards revealed) is a slow way to get money from the player. The player can be robbed faster by transfering the money or stealing bank account/CC numbers.
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#209599 - 07/12/04 10:35 PM
Re: wtf is a scanner?
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CLM
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Registered: 06/16/04
Posts: 302
Loc: USA
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Originally posted by Bink:
there are programs out there that show the players hole cards... so i heard.
i know a really successiful computer programer etc. he programmed over 20,000 games in his xbox. if they can do that who knows?
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#209600 - 07/13/04 01:37 AM
Re: wtf is a scanner?
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Nick04
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Registered: 06/23/04
Posts: 699
Loc: St. Louis
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It might be faster to transfer money but it would be much much much less conspicuous if you just played against them and won their money by knowing their cards exactly, you would never show down a losing hand and could bluff everyone to no end. I'm not saying it is even possible, but if it is, I would think it would be safest to just play against them.
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#209601 - 07/15/04 02:43 AM
Re: wtf is a scanner?
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Exploit
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Registered: 07/15/04
Posts: 8
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I don't know if this adds anything to the debate, but I remember for a long time at Ultimate Bet you could view the hand history for previous hands and know what everyone at the table had... including mucked hands. They of course changed that now, but would it be possible for a program to get that information during the hand? I don't know.
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#209602 - 07/15/04 09:16 AM
Re: wtf is a scanner?
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hodonkain
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Registered: 07/15/04
Posts: 1
Loc: USA
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There's a program that is known to hackers as a packet interceptor. It's used to sniff out packet information sent to other players by a server. It reroutes information to your computer... possibly to know what cards the players have.
Basically just stay away from players who take a long time to take their turn, they're probably waiting for packet information about your hand.
I bet that Party Poker uses its own encryption/decryption programs anyways.
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#209603 - 07/15/04 09:25 AM
Re: wtf is a scanner?
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bilo
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Registered: 11/26/03
Posts: 809
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hodonkain, packet interceptors (usually called sniffers) don't decryp packages. Allthough decryption is possible, it requires either the key codes used for encryption or enourmous run time. So as long as the packages are encrypted, that shouldn't be a problem.
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#209604 - 07/15/04 10:53 AM
Re: wtf is a scanner?
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blahgod
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Registered: 09/15/03
Posts: 34
Loc: Youngstown, OH
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sniffers only read the pipe between you and the server, the server would never send info of another players hand to your comp until a showdown was needed
seriously stop spreading false info :rolleyes:
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